hadriel | Dictation

[Rosen has now been in the cave going on 7 months. He's marked out the time on his laptop, little digits scribbled here and there between his thoughts and observations. 7 long months and as he scrolls through his records, inconsistent as they are due to the lapses in his mental capacity over the past few months, he finds certain reoccurring issues. Most are to be expected, issues of loneliness, fear, and an overwhelming sense of uselessness. However, there are others. Ones that keep him awake late into the night. One's that linger in the way he chews at the corner of his mouth or the way he uncomfortably flexes his fingers.

Prominent among those that he can't help but pick at like an annoying scab is the question of killing. A question that has always dogged him in his very specific line of work and now weighs heavily on his thoughts once again. It is not a coincidence that only a few days earlier a certain friend of his appeared in the clinic wounded and that this same friend subsequently posted to the network asking about the procurement of more bullets for his gun, a weapon that had been implicated as part of the problem in the events that lead to his injuries.

Lee also hasn't forgotten a certain conversation he had with this same friend weeks earlier, a conversation during which Lee had hoped to convince them to use an alternative and less deadly form of self-defense. Rosen's hopes had inevitably been dashed and though he's tried to let that go, the thoughts that had driven him then are still festering now.

So now he types out a question, having decided to pose it to the cave as a whole.]

Under what circumstances do you think taking a life is justified?

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That's a hard question. Very different from the usual hi, how are you? It makes me think you've taken a life or lives and have guilt.

A person may supply a dozen reasons why the taking of another life was justified in their eyes, but all reasoning in that vein will always be entirely subjective.

That is quite a pointed question. Why do you ask?

I must point out that that is not an answer to my question, Miss...?

[A beat]

I am a researcher of human behavior by profession so in a cave filled with dangerous situations and equally dangerous residents, I think it only makes sense that I would be curious.

And what would be your personal reasoning? As that is really what I was trying to get at with my line of questioning.

I am assuming 'curiosity' would not be a satisfactory answer

No, it wasn't.

I'm Abigail. Curiosity does make people do all kinds of things. So, you're being purely hypothetical?

Nice to meet you, Abigail. Are you new here?

By 'am I being hypothetical' I assume you are trying to ask whether or not I have ever personally taken a life and is that why I am asking? In all honesty I am asking because the question of killing and whether it can ever be justified is one that has troubled me for the whole of my life. The reason why I am hesitant to give you my personal opinion is simply that I fear giving my personal opinion may skew the answers I get to my question.

If you are willing to give me your answer to my question, I will, in the spirit of fairness, return the favor should you still be interested in knowing my own views on the matter.

Edited 2017-08-20 22:24 (UTC)

No, it would not.

[Can't blame him for trying]

Would you be willing to give me your answer before I answered your question?

I believe that killing can be necessary in order to achieve a larger objective, or to defend either yourself or someone else.

some people just need to die, my man. that's that.

[This is all too philosophical for Lup. One would think she'd be a little more desensitized to death as a whole after the last fifty years of her life, but her moral compass is still as finely tuned as ever. No killing, unless it's actually deserved, then up in flames they go.]

Sort of new. I've been here just over a month.

It's not an easy question to answer.

I was say that for most, it can be justified to kill to survive or for self-defense or to save someone else's life.

And then there are others, that aren't like most. People who kill when there isn't an immediate threat. Like someone killing the person who's abused them for a long time. Or people who might even be brainwashed into killing, made to believe they had no other choice. I don't know about justified, but it's understandable. They're victims too.

Then there are people with an entirely different way of thinking than everyone else. The ones that get labelled mentally ill. How do we know what's justified with someone we don't understand?

I believe you know my stance on the subject, but for the record I believe it's justified in cases of self defense, although preferably as a very last resort.

[There's a range of situations that can be considered self defense, and usually several ways to react to a threat, and in this area he's more lax on judging other people than might be expected. Personally, though, he is only willing to resort to violence at all--let alone killing someone--when given absolutely no other choice.]

Alright.

[Rosen says this ambiguously, as those he will not throw his lot in one way or the other. It is his professional pokerface]

Thank you for answering so thoroughly, Abigail. I do appreciate it.

What sort of larger objective, if you don't mind my asking?

Well let me say first that your directness is refreshing.

[And now that that has been said]

Would you mind being more specific about these people who just need to die?

And you? When do you think taking a life is justified?

Well...I let us just say I won't pretend to be surprised by your answer Still I appreciate having your official 'on record' response.

[He's going to change this discussion to private as they are entering more precarious waters]

My honest answer? I've never come across a situation where I feel taking a life is 100% justified.

Edited 2017-08-20 23:38 (UTC)

You don't need to hide your surprise just for my sake.

[He offers a small grin with the comment, but goes serious again a moment later.]

Is there some particular reason you're asking this question?

You don't even think it's justified when someone has a knife to their throat?

Or you've never been in that situation?

If I tell you something very private, can I trust you to keep that between us, Abigail?

[~~No, Lance. There's no particular reason or reasons or stupid young men who make him worry or--~~ ]

It is a question that has been on my mind for a long time now.

It depends on what it is. As long as you're not planning on tell me you're going to hurt me or someone else, then yes.

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