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Bruce Banner ([personal profile] zen_en_vert) wrote in [community profile] hadriel2016-03-21 03:55 pm

video: ongoing first aid

Hello everyone. My name is Doctor Banner, and I help organize the clinic here in Hadriel. About a month back, I talked on here about wound care, given the shortage of effective antibiotics in the city.

Now, since none of us can do the normal thing and just google this, I'd like to go on a bit more today about what to do if you or someone you know is bleeding.


First of all, if at all possible, wash your hands. I know that out on the ground you might not be able to do that, but whenever you can, treat injuries with clean hands, or even better, a pair of gloves.

The acronym that they use in first aid training is RED, for blood. Red, as in rest, elevation, and direct pressure. If you can get the person sitting down and as calm as possible, that's good- elevate the injury above their heart, if you can, then apply direct pressure to stop the bleeding.

You do it with clean fabric if you have it- bandages are ideal, but you can do clothing in a pinch. If someone is deeply cut and in danger of bleeding out, I've seen it done with duct tape applied directly to the skin, but I wholeheartedly caution against it unless it's literally a life or death emergency.

After this stage, get yourself or your friend to the clinic, or do home care to get the dirt or debris out of the cuts. Gravel, filth, anything of any kind needs to be cleared away with clean water, with soap and a washcloth, or with tweezers cleaned with alcohol. In the real world, this is where you'd be sent to get a tetanus shot, which I have absolutely no ability to give any of you right now- so just. Try really hard not to get tetanus. I'll see if I can scrape something together; anyone who hasn't had a tetanus booster in the last ten years may want to consider coming by, if I can work it out.

For a long time we used hydrogen peroxide, iodine or an iodine-containing cleanser, which can be irritating to tissue already injured. Best medical practice is not to apply those sorts of really astringent products any more, and to stay with soap, and an applied antibiotic.

We do have more of the topical creams and ointments available in the clinic now, so if you'd like to come by, I can give out a small supply. On any injury, bandages need to be changed once a day, or sooner if they're wet or dirty.

Now; stitches. Any deep cut will need stitches. If you see muscle, if you see fat, if the wound appears gaping or at all jagged, you need stitches. Adhesive is not a substitute, tape is not a substitute, stitches are the only thing that minimize your risk of infection, never mind scarring, which I assume few of you care about. Let me stress again that with the level of medical care here, an infection is likely to be fatal. I know that even our fatalities aren't technically consistently fatal, but let's be better safe than sorry. Stitches, I can teach in person, or we can go over next time.

I think I covered pretty much everything else in the infection post- if you'd like any more information about that or reminders, don't hesitate to let me know.
wipedclean: (and their mothers)

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[personal profile] wipedclean 2016-03-21 08:46 pm (UTC)(link)
is there really so few supplies?
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[personal profile] pellameno 2016-03-21 10:09 pm (UTC)(link)
I didn't know there was a clinic here... do you often need help in it? I can heal, and I'd like to learn from you as well.
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[personal profile] wipedclean 2016-03-21 10:23 pm (UTC)(link)
unforunate. how are you collecting supplies currently?
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[personal profile] pellameno 2016-03-21 10:35 pm (UTC)(link)
May I come by now, then? I wasn't doing anything.
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[personal profile] pellameno 2016-03-21 11:43 pm (UTC)(link)
[ The video feed closes and soon after there's a knock at the clinic door, and the sound of someone letting themselves in and calling out. ]

Doctor Banner?

[ Pell's not really familiar with the concept of a clinic, being from out in the middle of nowhere. If you needed medical attention beyond the basics, you were pretty much screwed until someone could travel to find help. And Wraeththu have no doctors, only healers... which is why he's here, he reminds himself, looking around the waiting area. He can help and learn at once, if the doctor lets him. ]
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[personal profile] wipedclean 2016-03-21 11:59 pm (UTC)(link)
does everything have to be scavenged?
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[personal profile] hotspurred 2016-03-21 11:59 pm (UTC)(link)
[Considering the fact that Henry is dressed in plate armour, it is safe to assume that he's never had a vaccine in his life. His expression, at least, is attentive and thoughtful.]

I thank thee for the information. We are fortunate to have a surgeon in our midst. Pardon my ignorance, but would you clarify two points?

[He holds up an armoured finger for each one as he continues.]

These 'antibiotics'... how does one not familiar determine them? And what be the symptoms of this 'tetanus'?
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[personal profile] unabatedly 2016-03-22 12:32 am (UTC)(link)
That's a good amount of information. You have my thanks.

[ Antibiotics are unfamiliar to her but the rest of the advice seems fairly solid. Field medicine is important to addressing wounds as they occur and when there is little in the way of immediate help. ]

Are there enough people helping in the clinic? I can heal and have been doing so for years. I can offer my services if you have need of them.

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[personal profile] whichend 2016-03-22 01:52 am (UTC)(link)
[ Arya knows about wound care from her time on the road, but one thing Bruce has said doesn't make any sense. ]

What is a tetanus? I do not think I have any.
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[personal profile] ampliat 2016-03-22 03:03 am (UTC)(link)
Do you have needles? Is giving someone stitches like sewing up a hole in jeans or something?

Not that I'm trying to be morbid about it. I'm just wondering if my experience with clothing will translate.

Seriously, though, thanks for this. Some of us could really use all the help we can get.
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[personal profile] mismanagement 2016-03-22 03:16 am (UTC)(link)
I appreciate you sharing this information with everyone. It's appreciated.
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[personal profile] mismanagement 2016-03-22 03:18 am (UTC)(link)
[Guess who just realized exactly how bad Henry's medical knowledge is. Maketh looks slightly horrified.]

Please tell me you know how to dress a wound.
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[personal profile] hotspurred 2016-03-22 09:22 am (UTC)(link)
[She has no idea about the horror of it, since wound care and battle-related medicine -- i.e. that area handled by surgeons -- is actually not that terrible compared to the work of physicians. Except for the universal enthusiasm for bloodletting.

Henry gives her a look that is both exasperated and amused.]


Of course, Maketh. I merely knew not the part about raising wounds above the heart. Or that there are medicines effective at staving off infection. Usually that is by the grace of God.
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[personal profile] unfollowing 2016-03-22 11:42 am (UTC)(link)
we'll also try not to eat contaminated food

oh wait, we can't really help that because we don't really have a choice in what happens to us here! WOW!

great advice, doc. thank you for your wisdom
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[personal profile] mismanagement 2016-03-22 01:55 pm (UTC)(link)
[Well, that's slightly better. Slightly. Maketh considers him. Well, he carries a sword around, that comes with certain risks. Still...]

And head trauma? You know the signs of that as well, correct?

[Oh fuck what if he gets a concussion. What if he shares her habit of wandering around while seriously injured?]
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[personal profile] hotspurred 2016-03-22 04:28 pm (UTC)(link)
I have fought countless battles. There are few injuries sustained in war that I am yet to witness.

[He points out, faintly affronted that she thinks he might not know. Still, he answers her.]

Aside from the plainly apparent... A loss of focus and balance. Trouble with one's vision. Confusion. Expelling the contents of one's stomach.
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[personal profile] mismanagement 2016-03-22 04:51 pm (UTC)(link)
With swords.

[It's not that she doubts his ability to survive - if anything she's increasingly impressed. Because his world still uses arrows, of all things. Maketh, being Maketh, likes to know all her bases are covered. And this does bring up an interesting point.

She frowns.]
Correct. Blast trauma?

[She doubts he'd recognize that one, if his world doesn't use gunpowder that often. But it might become relevant here, with her plans to build bombs and whatever nastiness the gods intend to throw at them next. And, more importantly, he didn't seem to recognize it when they first met.]
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[personal profile] wormintheglass 2016-03-22 06:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Doctor Banner.

[He looks like the Dr Banner Bianca knew, but she already knew there was more than one of him.]

Where are you running your clinic from?

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