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Hope ([personal profile] lingeringhope) wrote in [community profile] hadriel2019-05-30 09:30 am

fifteen ✤ voice

I am sure you have seen the ships, as have we. It is time for a decision. Thanks to your efforts and knowledge, we have options - they are few, but I think any of them could succeed. But each has unknowns and possible dangers. Please take all of these into consideration before you make your decision.

First, we could use the Door to send the Null away to another facet of this wide multiverse. This would keep us safe, and allow us to stay here, in our home, in order to rebuild and restore our people. However, while we have more control of the Door, we only have so much. We can't choose where to send the Null, so they could end up anywhere, including in a universe that one of you is from. Also, while we would try our very best, it would be difficult to ensure that each and every Null scattered across the worlds is caught in this. It is possible we may miss some.

Second, we could use the Door to transport ourselves to another universe. Like the first option, we cannot be sure where we would end up. We would be safe from the Null, but possibly find other dangers. In addition, only those of us gods currently in the city would survive - there would be no option to resurrect our fallen comrades or hosts. With the hosts you have restored to me and our own essences, we could rebuild, but it would take a very long time.

One additional note for the first two options: after carrying out either one, we would need to shut the Door down permanently. To leave it working would be to invite the Null to find a way through it to us. We would send you all home first, of course, but you would never be able to return here or leave the worlds that you return to.

Finally, we could use your skills to infect the Null with a sort of virus. I will admit that my unfamiliarity with technology makes the details of this difficult to understand, but the essence of it is that a group of you would return to the communications relay found on the previous world and use it to broadcast a program that would alter the Null themselves. There are two options here, as well: use it to shut the Null down and therefore kill them, or use it to alter them and imbue them with emotions so they would no longer need or wish to destroy us.

These last two options are the most dangerous for you, and I would ask for volunteers to carry this out if it is chosen. It would allow us to stay here and rebuild our species, and it would potentially allow the Null to survive, though of course that may also be a danger someday. It would also allow us to maintain the Door, which would give you the option to come and go as you pleased. However, the ethics of destroying or permanently altering another species must be considered. Do we have the right to do this against their will? Do we have the right to commit genocide?

Please take your time to consider these options. I believe we can hold out long enough for an educated decision, rather than one made foolishly and in haste. And thank you, all of you, for everything that you have done. None of these options would have been possible if not for your hard work and ingenuity. You have accomplished incredible things and given us a chance when we had none.

This poll is closed.
Open to: Registered Users, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 31


What shall we do?

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Use the Door to remove the Null
2 (6.5%)

Use the Door to move ourselves
2 (6.5%)

Upload a program to alter the Null
9 (29.0%)

Upload a program to destroy the Null
18 (58.1%)

hot_mes: (talking)

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[personal profile] hot_mes 2019-05-30 04:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Law here. I've been working on the virus solution, though to less of an extent than Alphys-ya and some of the others since I'm not technologically adept either.

My first intention was to create a vaccine. But Sorrow allowed me a lengthy study of the physiology of the gods...enough to know that I would have had to kill them in order to create it, so it's no longer a solution. As a doctor, I have problems with a biological weapon, but infecting the Null is far better than killing them. Genocide is never an answer.

So, before you vote, I wanted to share that much. I don't care if we're altering the Null against their will, it's the only way to allow every species involved in this stupid war to survive and have a chance to rebuild their societies. I only want to get home, so I have no intention of doing anything that would permanently disable the Door.
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[personal profile] bloodbathing 2019-05-30 04:48 pm (UTC)(link)
[ Ethical dilemma? What ethical dilemma? Maine slams that destroy option without blinking. ]

Killing virus. Will volunteer.

[ To carry out the mission, he means, if that's the option people choose. ]
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[personal profile] deploy 2019-05-30 04:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Killing virus. One and done. Anything else leaves too much room for error. Kill or be killed.

Besides, they started it.


[Very mature John.]
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[personal profile] volitaunt 2019-05-30 05:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Kill them. Giving them emotions doesn't mean they'll stop.
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[personal profile] evocation 2019-05-30 05:31 pm (UTC)(link)
you're talking about this like they aren't a creepy hivemind that's trying to wipe all of us out
fuck em
restinglichface: (sahara desert in a dusty hotpocket)

[personal profile] restinglichface 2019-05-30 05:44 pm (UTC)(link)
this guy gets it
restinglichface: (Noodle up you unfunny fucks!)

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[personal profile] restinglichface 2019-05-30 05:47 pm (UTC)(link)
fuck em
if yall forgot they went after defenseless kids last time
they dont deserve mercy
restinglichface: it's shaped like a knife (corn is the scariest vegetable.)

[personal profile] restinglichface 2019-05-30 05:51 pm (UTC)(link)
true facts
we were all willing to work with them at first to fuck the assholes in charge here
but they just had to go and fuck that up
nonscriptum: which is why I always get screwed (bargaining was never my strong suit)

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[personal profile] nonscriptum 2019-05-30 06:06 pm (UTC)(link)
[ No hesitation. ]

use the killing virus. let's be done with these assholes.
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[personal profile] deploy 2019-05-30 06:12 pm (UTC)(link)
That's why they're still here, and we're dealing with this crap.

Because you pansies didn't have the guts to pull the trigger.

Thanks for that.
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[personal profile] deploy 2019-05-30 06:14 pm (UTC)(link)
They had their chance and they blew it.

We know what their priorities are. Why should ours be any different?

Turning the other cheek only works when your enemies aren't planning to shoot you in the face.
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[personal profile] hot_mes 2019-05-30 06:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I know, but contingencies are what they are.

You would do well moving yourself to a new universe, if it comes to that. It might be frightening and foreign and take eons to restore your people but at least you'd be alive to do so.
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[personal profile] volitaunt 2019-05-30 06:23 pm (UTC)(link)
got a few Big Bads back home who get very excited about murdering the opposition.
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[personal profile] deploy 2019-05-30 06:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, as someone who's gone the whole 'genetic alteration' route before, I think you'll come to find most species take even less kindly to their free will being removed than they do to being killed.

I don't think any one of us didn't regret that decision. On either side.

Besides, you can't guarantee they won't revert back to their natural state. When everyone isn't already organized ready to fight.
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[personal profile] hot_mes 2019-05-30 06:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Have you asked the one called "Name" how it feels? It has emotions now and it's pretty okay with them.

Conversely I've gone the genocide route before and I will never advocate for it no matter how much a species has fucked with me.
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[personal profile] deploy 2019-05-30 06:30 pm (UTC)(link)
That's one of how many?

This isn't a lunch table discussion of the 'trolley' problem. Sentiment means nothing. Results mean everything.

No one here is looking at this like a game of paintball. It's life or death.
Edited 2019-05-30 18:31 (UTC)
restinglichface: it's shaped like a knife (corn is the scariest vegetable.)

[personal profile] restinglichface 2019-05-30 06:37 pm (UTC)(link)
funny how thats the one constant between all worlds huh
doesnt matter where you go
folks like the null dont need the excuse to murder
they just wanna hurt folks. the end
the rest of it is just the path leading up to that

and sometimes you just gotta fight fire with fire
restinglichface: it's skin and my eyes went to hell (One time I saw a video of a rancho molt)

[personal profile] restinglichface 2019-05-30 06:39 pm (UTC)(link)
its a real relief everyones p onboard with plan murder
cuz i dont reeeally have the patience to school anyone who wants to cry sympathy on these pricks
restinglichface: (sahara desert in a dusty hotpocket)

[personal profile] restinglichface 2019-05-30 06:41 pm (UTC)(link)
got it in one kemosabe

they already showed off their hand
now its time to play ours
nonscriptum: I didn't wanna stay longer than I had to (he smelled like patchouli)

[personal profile] nonscriptum 2019-05-30 08:07 pm (UTC)(link)
is there anyone actually supporting the idea that we make them feel things? because we run the risk of giving them the ability to be pissed off at us instead of just practical

fuck these guys
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[personal profile] volitaunt 2019-05-30 08:20 pm (UTC)(link)
at least we're not charging our lasers over killing them all. that's when things get twisted.

but these bastards have done more than enough to this universe to push them past deserving mercy.
restinglichface: (ill take one fuck me up fam)

[personal profile] restinglichface 2019-05-30 08:21 pm (UTC)(link)
cmon drake
youve been here longer than i have
no matter what shit the turbo liches pull on us some folks will always find excuses for it

theres def gonna be some null supporters who do the same

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