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Hope ([personal profile] lingeringhope) wrote in [community profile] hadriel2019-05-30 09:30 am

fifteen ✤ voice

I am sure you have seen the ships, as have we. It is time for a decision. Thanks to your efforts and knowledge, we have options - they are few, but I think any of them could succeed. But each has unknowns and possible dangers. Please take all of these into consideration before you make your decision.

First, we could use the Door to send the Null away to another facet of this wide multiverse. This would keep us safe, and allow us to stay here, in our home, in order to rebuild and restore our people. However, while we have more control of the Door, we only have so much. We can't choose where to send the Null, so they could end up anywhere, including in a universe that one of you is from. Also, while we would try our very best, it would be difficult to ensure that each and every Null scattered across the worlds is caught in this. It is possible we may miss some.

Second, we could use the Door to transport ourselves to another universe. Like the first option, we cannot be sure where we would end up. We would be safe from the Null, but possibly find other dangers. In addition, only those of us gods currently in the city would survive - there would be no option to resurrect our fallen comrades or hosts. With the hosts you have restored to me and our own essences, we could rebuild, but it would take a very long time.

One additional note for the first two options: after carrying out either one, we would need to shut the Door down permanently. To leave it working would be to invite the Null to find a way through it to us. We would send you all home first, of course, but you would never be able to return here or leave the worlds that you return to.

Finally, we could use your skills to infect the Null with a sort of virus. I will admit that my unfamiliarity with technology makes the details of this difficult to understand, but the essence of it is that a group of you would return to the communications relay found on the previous world and use it to broadcast a program that would alter the Null themselves. There are two options here, as well: use it to shut the Null down and therefore kill them, or use it to alter them and imbue them with emotions so they would no longer need or wish to destroy us.

These last two options are the most dangerous for you, and I would ask for volunteers to carry this out if it is chosen. It would allow us to stay here and rebuild our species, and it would potentially allow the Null to survive, though of course that may also be a danger someday. It would also allow us to maintain the Door, which would give you the option to come and go as you pleased. However, the ethics of destroying or permanently altering another species must be considered. Do we have the right to do this against their will? Do we have the right to commit genocide?

Please take your time to consider these options. I believe we can hold out long enough for an educated decision, rather than one made foolishly and in haste. And thank you, all of you, for everything that you have done. None of these options would have been possible if not for your hard work and ingenuity. You have accomplished incredible things and given us a chance when we had none.

This poll is closed.
Open to: Registered Users, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 31


What shall we do?

View Answers

Use the Door to remove the Null
2 (6.5%)

Use the Door to move ourselves
2 (6.5%)

Upload a program to alter the Null
9 (29.0%)

Upload a program to destroy the Null
18 (58.1%)

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[voice]

[personal profile] deploy 2019-05-30 06:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, as someone who's gone the whole 'genetic alteration' route before, I think you'll come to find most species take even less kindly to their free will being removed than they do to being killed.

I don't think any one of us didn't regret that decision. On either side.

Besides, you can't guarantee they won't revert back to their natural state. When everyone isn't already organized ready to fight.
hot_mes: (what he said)

[voice]

[personal profile] hot_mes 2019-05-30 06:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Have you asked the one called "Name" how it feels? It has emotions now and it's pretty okay with them.

Conversely I've gone the genocide route before and I will never advocate for it no matter how much a species has fucked with me.
deploy: (doppleganger0492)

[personal profile] deploy 2019-05-30 06:30 pm (UTC)(link)
That's one of how many?

This isn't a lunch table discussion of the 'trolley' problem. Sentiment means nothing. Results mean everything.

No one here is looking at this like a game of paintball. It's life or death.
Edited 2019-05-30 18:31 (UTC)
hot_mes: (smirking)

[personal profile] hot_mes 2019-05-30 10:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, and I find it rather fascinating that your response is, 'altering them against their will is terrible, let's just kill them all instead.'
deploy: (travelers0120)

[personal profile] deploy 2019-05-30 10:12 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm saying if you're trying to take the moral high ground, you'd be failing at it.

I don't care about the moral high ground. I care about my people living or dying.

If it were up to me, they'd be gone by now. And I wouldn't have asked anyone's permission to do it. That's just a waste of oxygen.
hot_mes: (brooding)

[personal profile] hot_mes 2019-05-30 10:33 pm (UTC)(link)
[snort!] The day I end up as anyone's moral high ground is the day we all die.

According to Hope's options, the lot of us live no matter what choice we make. The lives at stake are the gods', and their people. So, really, advocating genocide is just being a dick. If that's what you want, at least own up to it rather than tell me how terrible it is to be altered against your will.
deploy: (doppleganger0284)

[personal profile] deploy 2019-05-30 11:15 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm advocating removing a threat from this universe instead of shunting it into another universe for someone else to deal with, or taking a risk on these guys getting emotions and not just being mad as hell about it-- or relapsing with time or mutation.

You call it genocide. I call it pest control.

[A beat.]

And you believe that guy, really? Okay. Wanna buy my talking horse?
hot_mes: (determination)

[personal profile] hot_mes 2019-05-31 01:45 am (UTC)(link)
...yes? Why would I have any reason to distrust Hope? He's naive, he's not a liar.
deploy: (travelers0002)

[personal profile] deploy 2019-05-31 02:41 am (UTC)(link)
Cool. I'll drop the horse off tomorrow.
hot_mes: (fuck you)

[personal profile] hot_mes 2019-05-31 02:49 am (UTC)(link)
[shame he didn't pick video; he still flips off his phone anyway]

Whatever helps you sleep at night.
volitaunt: (222)

voice;

[personal profile] volitaunt 2019-05-31 03:00 am (UTC)(link)
It's mostly being right. That helps him sleep at night, I mean.
hot_mes: (unimpressed)

[personal profile] hot_mes 2019-05-31 03:23 am (UTC)(link)
Mhm, sure, whatever. I don't know you guys so keep on stroking your own egos, I guess. I'm going to be over here making sure we get out of this alive.
volitaunt: (109 - V3ErXZi)

[personal profile] volitaunt 2019-05-31 03:24 am (UTC)(link)
And that's not an ego stroking.

Whatever helps you sleep at night, buddy.

We'll be over here making sure we stay alive after it's done.
hot_mes: (frown)

[personal profile] hot_mes 2019-05-31 03:29 am (UTC)(link)
I still don't care. I'm only on the phone to give information, I have work to do.
volitaunt: (262)

[personal profile] volitaunt 2019-05-31 03:30 am (UTC)(link)
Then hang up?
hot_mes: (smirking)

[personal profile] hot_mes 2019-05-31 03:36 am (UTC)(link)
[dryly] Oh no, I never even thought of that.

[CLICK]
volitaunt: (040 - BiywpvO)

[personal profile] volitaunt 2019-05-31 03:37 am (UTC)(link)
[ To John, over his shoulder: ]

He hung up.