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[Oh hey, look, it's a (fairly) new kid on the network. And he has a question for y'all.]

Hey, everyone. My name's Alvin Draper and I'm pretty new here, so I apologize if this is a question that's been asked before, but it seemed ... relevant, given some of the more recent discussions here.

[I.e., that whole "should we kill Delight" poll, which Tim is still actively side-eyeing the hell out of everyone here over. Except Lance. Lance is the only sane person here and has the correct opinion on murder.]

I'm just curious - [because he wants to know exactly what kinds of psychos he's landed with] - under what circumstances do you believe it's acceptable to kill someone, and why do you believe that?

[Please cite your sources using MLA format, thanks!]

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We spoke briefly about this earlier, but it's no secret what my opinion on this matter is.

[So might as well state it for the record.]

It's acceptable in a case of immediate self-defense, in which you have a reasonable belief that there's no other viable course of action available to prevent serious harm to yourself or someone else. Almost any other time, there are other options and no reason to resort to violence at all.

[Let alone to kill someone; it's pretty much just murder then. There are rare cases that don't fall directly into either category, hence Lance's caveat of 'almost any other time', but for the most part this holds.]

Yeah ... that seems to be the real question though, what's reasonable. Seems like a lot of people here have a much shorter measurement for that than the rest of us. There are plenty of ways to disarm an opponent that are nonlethal, but I get the feeling that's not even a consideration, a lot of the time.

Although I don't disagree, and I'd prefer people show more discretion, at this point I'm less concerned about an overreaction in the midst of a fight and more about the willingness to justify killing someone outside of one.

[Not that he likes the jump to lethal means in a fight when it isn't totally necessary, but it's low on the list of things people here will do.]

Yeah ... that's a concern too, obviously.

[A pretty big one, given the responses he'd received and witnessed when Tranquility asked the people of Hadriel to decide on Delight's fate.]

You've been here a while, right? Have you seen any patterns in people's behavior here?

[Lance considers the question for a moment, more because he's deciding if he wants to continue the conversation in a public feed or to change it to private. Eventually he decides that, as long as he doesn't mention specific people, he's fine with people knowing what he thinks about their behavior.]

Too many are willing to resort to the simplest and most immediately gratifying solution to a problem, which tends to be violence. It's somewhat understandable from some of them, due to their worlds encouraging such behavior, but others don't even have that excuse.

And there's the issue we discussed before, where there's an assumption of naivete or inexperience if you don't believe violence is the best solution, as opposed to having had enough experience to know otherwise.

Yeah ... it's like people never stop to consider that maybe the reason why you don't believe violence solves problems is because you have experience.

Unfortunately.

[Because yeah, that's a major problem.]

I work in law enforcement, and even that being a part of my profession doesn't seem to be enough for some to consider that I might know what I'm talking about.

[It's so annoying.]

Boy, the crowd here must be even tougher than I thought - either that, or they just don't like law enforcement types.

[Which, given the responses Tim's received, seems both likely and logical. Tim may not always land on the right side of the law either - costumed vigilante work's a murky business - and work in the law enforcement field isn't automatically right, but they do end up aligning a lot of the time.]

I'm actually not sure if there's any particular dislike of law enforcement; I don't think there are that many of us.

[And he hasn't noticed much based on that, specifically; he thinks it's more likely that his experience is ignored and discounted just because his end conclusion doesn't support others' favored outlook.]

A more militaristic mindset does seem to be preferred, however.

[Whether because it allows an easier justification or because more people here are familiar with it--or both--he's not sure.]

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