hadriel | Video 9 - Sewing Shop (dated an hour after Lance's post)

[while Margaery may be in her usual place in the Sewing Shop, that's not what she's choosing to address. not this time.

sure, she's dressed up as usual, she has her sword laid across her lap and visible in the frame of the video.

she's also not wearing her usual bright smile. instead, her expression is deadly serious]

As I'm sure we're all aware, the demon has been temporarily been . . . put out of commission. Now, this is not the place to debate the wisdom of vigilante justice. Dr. Sweets appears to have that well in hand. No, what this is is the place to discuss what measures may be taken to prevent the demon from taking its rage out on the entirety of Hadriel.

The gods will do nothing. Tranquility told me himself that they will only take action if they themselves are threatened. So we're left to fend for ourselves. We must make our plans ourselves and it would be far better to have those plans coordinated well in advance of its release.

So I am directing this to anyone who has ideas for what to do when the demon is inevitably released back into the populace. Surely there are those with powers or skills which could prevent it from going on a murderous rampage. Now is the time for those people to step forward and offer their ideas.

Thank you for your time and attention.

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No, I don't think she did it to help anyone. That's incidental. But I have some experience with monsters who kill [he sounds mildly reproachful here], and killing isn't all she does. It isn't even most of what she does, it's only that she does it whenever she pleases. So how do we make it undesirable to her? How do we do it without the gods' help?

The first thing that comes to mind is to work together to find a way to strand her here with them. Just her and them. Do we have a way of doing that? Do we know anyone who does?

When you were killed and the elves took some kind of action -- that's one of the things I was thinking of. What's the third?

[she draws her injured dignity around herself like a shield] I, too, have experience with those who kill, lest you forget my time with Cersei Lannister. Before the Sept of Baelor was destroyed and we were all of us gathered inside, I knew that somehow she had schemed a way to avoid justice and rid herself of her enemies and I tried to warn people, but none would listen. [just as none will listen now goes unsaid]

The elves have a kind of magic, but I'd imagine that if they knew of any such methods, they would have gotten us all out of here by now.

The leader of the Guard, Nick Valentine, was apparently able to intervene somehow. I've already contacted him to ask him how it was done.

That's not what I meant. [This is said a little apologetically.] What I mean is, Caedra is more Cersei than the Night King, and there's a little of Stannis's Red Witch in her too. She's willing to kill, able to kill, but she has things that interest her other than killing. The question is what interests her more than killing, and how do we keep her interested in it?

It isn't that I want to spare her life, it's that killing her isn't a helpful plan if it's the only plan, and if it's impossible.

A plan to strand her need not involve rescuing all of us. It could be something like taking her to one of the islands we found while she's in her current state, and leaving her there. The gods wouldn't be stuck with her, that's true, but she wouldn't trouble the rest of us, and if the city moves again, it might move without her.[But a few things tug at him: a plan like that seems needlessly cruel in some ways, there is no surety that Caedra would be forced to stay on whatever island they left her on, and there are clearly those who are protecting her regardless of the welfare of others, people who might only go and retrieve her.]

You know that if Valentine thinks he can handle it himself, there are measures he'll try to put an end to. He won't be happy about this conversation.

I'm not sure. What made Cersei happy was ruining the lives of other people and fucking her brother. I'm not sure anyone would be willing to fuck a demon, but I suppose it's worth a try. Ruining the lives of others, on the other hand, isn't an option.

Yes, unfortunately the demon will simply be revived to wreak havoc on the lives of those responsible for killing it in the first place.

Unfortunately, it seems that there are those determined to protect it, whatever the cost to others. I suppose they think they're safe from the demon's darker impulses, but they're not. No one is. It has the power necessary to kill whomever it pleases and those who are more willing to quibble over what the demon is called than they are to put in a solid plan to keep the rest of us protected.

The reason why I went to him is because I knew he was able to stop it once. As it seems that none are willing to step in, so I thought perhaps he might have an idea of how to proceed.

[All right, so fair enough about Cersei. Jon doesn't really know what she wants other than power either, or to preserve her power; he only has a faint sense of relief that there were no Northerners at court the day she blew up the Great Sept. And even that relief carries a hint of guilt, because so many others died.]

So Valentine stopped her and she hasn't made him her quarry yet -- yet. The same is true of the elves.

Does it cow her? What makes her decide to kill to begin with?

[power seems to be Cersei's driving motivator. more than love for her children, even more than love for her brother. she spent years in Cersei's presence, but she's taken care to not be in the demon's presence since she was murdered, so all she has to go on is hearsay and rumors]

Yes, on both counts.

I don't know if it's cowed or if it's simply biding its time. But as far as I can tell, the demon kills on a whim.

Video 9 - Sewing Shop (dated an hour after Lance's post)

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