Video 9 - Sewing Shop (dated an hour after Lance's post)

[roseofthetyrells]

[while Margaery may be in her usual place in the Sewing Shop, that's not what she's choosing to address. not this time.

sure, she's dressed up as usual, she has her sword laid across her lap and visible in the frame of the video.

she's also not wearing her usual bright smile. instead, her expression is deadly serious]

As I'm sure we're all aware, the demon has been temporarily been . . . put out of commission. Now, this is not the place to debate the wisdom of vigilante justice. Dr. Sweets appears to have that well in hand. No, what this is is the place to discuss what measures may be taken to prevent the demon from taking its rage out on the entirety of Hadriel.

The gods will do nothing. Tranquility told me himself that they will only take action if they themselves are threatened. So we're left to fend for ourselves. We must make our plans ourselves and it would be far better to have those plans coordinated well in advance of its release.

So I am directing this to anyone who has ideas for what to do when the demon is inevitably released back into the populace. Surely there are those with powers or skills which could prevent it from going on a murderous rampage. Now is the time for those people to step forward and offer their ideas.

Thank you for your time and attention.

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[ghostlocked]

[Oh boy...]

she hasnt gone on a murderous rampage since that shit w. the demons a few months back.
goin after her w. torches and pitchforks is stupid.
if ur really set on a preventative approach ill just fuckin talk to her when she thaws out.

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[roseofthetyrells]

Which was caused by her murder of me, lest you forget or simply not care.
That wasn't what I was proposing at all.
Preventative measures are fine, as long as it keeps it from hurting others.

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[evocation]

Yeah, I've got the powers and skills to deal with demons, but those powers and skills usually involve killing them, which isn't a thing here.

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[roseofthetyrells]

Would you be able to keep it contained long enough for someone else to intervene in a non-lethal manner?

[Action if that is ok!]

[imhisaunt]

[Delmar saw her announcement, but rather than call he shows up a little bit later, knocking in his usual timid way at the doorframe and a shy wave when she looks in his direction.]

[it's perfect!]

[roseofthetyrells]

[at the sight of Delmar, Margaery's expression blooms into its usual warm smile and she immediately gets up, setting the sword aside, and goes to greet him at the door with a hug]

Delmar! How good it is to see you. How are you?

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[nowherewolf]

we dont even kno if shes gonna want to kill everybody
she might just go after whoever tf froze her
i say we just be prepared if she does try to attack but like
startin shits gonna be a bad time

and its she not it
shes kind of a bitch but like
shes still a person

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[roseofthetyrells]

That is what I'm proposing.
Preparation in case it does try to attack.
Demons aren't people.

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[knifecollecting]

[...Jo almost ignores this, but-]

The gods won't do anything? Don't they realize Hope's going to have so much work after she gets out?

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[roseofthetyrells]

They will not. Atem and I approached Tranquility asking about methods to keep it from harming others here and we were told that they will only intervene if it attacks them directly.

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[itsnotaonesie]

Does she do large scale stuff like that, or do you think she'd be more likely to go after the person that turned her into a demonsicle? So far, I've only really heard about her picking people off one on one.

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[roseofthetyrells]

Shortly after it came here, it murdered me and used my blood to summon other demons to menace the town. That was merely for fun. I'm assuming that after its defeat, it will likely be angry enough to potentially menace the town as a whole.

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[hot_mes]

You've already made your mistakes. If she comes for the whole city, I'm not stopping her.

[this is probably the worst time for a Door-related rage burst. But Law has also kind of had it up to here]

And her name is Caedra. [(-ya)]

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[roseofthetyrells]

And because one person made what you see as a mistake, you're willing to condemn innocents to death? A fine attitude to have.

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[missiondeterminant]

[Connor's mostly staying out of this entire thing, partially because he doesn't care unless it affects the few people he likes, and partially because he doesn't know enough to really get into it. But after watching the last few posts and this one, and seeing some of the conversations, he decides to go ahead and respond to this.]

Wouldn't retaliation from her be justified, at least toward the person that froze her? At what point in the back and forth is it called even?

[Just saying; someone did attack her, so why can't she get her own revenge on them? Not that he's really interested in seeing that, but it does sound a little familiar.

So does something else, which some of the others have mentioned already, but it stands out to him and he can't ignore it himself--]

And she isn't an 'it' just because she isn't human.

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[roseofthetyrells]

Towards the person who froze her, perhaps. Towards the city as a whole? No.

[she's choosing to ignore the rest because he's not going to sway her]

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[oldtonew]

[ This time, Kettara has managed to hold the video right side up. She's large and green-skinned, clearly something other than human. ]

I have listened to what has been said. I have gone back and read what has been written.

[ Her expression is serious. ]

If she will not contain her vengeance to the one who attacked her, then I will challenge her to Mak'Gora. The ancestors will choose a righteous victor.

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[roseofthetyrells]

Then I'm afraid you've heard and read a great deal of bickering and posturing.

[hers is steady. she's unaffected by what was said to her. she endured Cersei Lannister and months in one of the Faith's cells. this is nothing]

Your bravery is appreciated. But please be aware that the demon is a strong opponent.

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[deviledlegs]

[Sanji's smile is small and tight, but he's trying because like hell is he going to glare at a woman.]

Miss. You've been quite cold to some friends of mine.

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[roseofthetyrells]

[and she looks and sounds perfectly calm. perhaps this was a necessary lesson, that she owes these people precisely nothing]

As they have been to me. And thus the cycle of cruelty continues. Do you intend to add to it?

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[northerndragon]

If I thought I could kill her, if I thought it would help, if I thought it wouldn't just make her make sport of you again, or me, or Sansa or Daenerys, I would.

[He and Margaery are friends, and she's a lady of Westeros. It distresses him that he can't protect her from this, or anyone else -- not really. There should be some sort of action he can take. There isn't, and from time to time, the inaction gnaws at him.

Though not everything he's seen Caedra say has offended him. At times, she seems reasonable.]

But it takes more than I can do. Treating with her won't help, my sword won't help. What then?

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[roseofthetyrells]

[she sounds exhausted. it seems as though people are far more interested in pronouns than they are in preventing a slaughter]

I truly don't know. Perhaps when it is released, we should simply barricade ourselves in our house and hope that it's too busy elsewhere.

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[utulien_aure]

Would that I had a solution worth offering.

[And he wishes he did; all he's got is "appoint an executive power with the authority to make these kinds of decisions," and "everyone hang around killing Caedra and/or anyone like her every time she revives," and those are obvious non-starters.]

But as things stand now, would you care to have the wards on your home and shop renewed? My cousins or I could do that easily enough.

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[roseofthetyrells]

As do I.

[things were so much easier back in Westeros. in Westeros, there were no such things as demons and those who murdered were hanged or beheaded. she knows that none would accept such solutions here]

Yes, I think that would be for the best. It cannot hurt to take precautions and I would be grateful for any assistance you could provide.

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[such_a_teez]

My abilities are unique, in the sense that I can choose how I interact with reality. Within reason, of course. If a substance can be found that the demon can't break free of, I can force her into it. And another prison can be had quickly and efficiently. I don't mind taking her out, if the need arises. This place might not be my home, but I have people here I care about. And I want to help however I can.

I'm afraid I don't know much about demons, unfortunately. So I can't offer more wisdom as far as this situation goes. But do let me know if I might be of use.

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[roseofthetyrells]

That would all be fine with me, but it appears that the demon has dedicated protectors. You would likely find yourself fighting against them to do so. I would not want you putting yourself at risk.

I don't know a great deal about them, either. There are no such things in Westeros. The best thing you likely can do is be prepared for its release and come to the defense of those the demon targets, should that happen. Which I fear it will. The demon seems to have little concept of restraint.

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[so_dark_a_road]

Margaery, you know that you have my support and protection. First off, I'll help Fingon and Maglor renew the wards on your house and on the Sewing Shop. I won't let her harm you again.

And if she attacks the city again, I'll be the first to stand in her way.

That matter of whether or not Caedra is a human being is kind of irrelevant. If she is human, she's a sociopath -- and sociopaths are notoriously hard to reason with. If she's not human at all, then her demonic sense of self is going to prevent her from making any permanent agreement with the rest of us.

I don't know the long-term solution to this problem, but I do think that discussion on that topic needs to continue -- on the off-chance that there is a solution. The only hopeful note I can think of is that she wants to go home more than she wants anything else. I think I can verify that, because I've spoken with her an number of times. [ Not that these encounters were exactly friendly, but only one of them was violent, and that was deliberate, with the goal of providing Rage with the energy to give a few people magical sails for the expedition. ]

However, I agree that we need a plan for the short term. She's going to be mad as hell when she unfreezes, and I suspect that whoever froze her will be only her first target. I hope that that person will make himself or herself known, because they're going to need some protection, unless they're fairly powerful. And that plan must include protecting others as well, as best we can.

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[roseofthetyrells]

[after having leagues of people more concerned with what the demon is called than what it can potentially do, Curufin's message is like a balm]

It's not me I'm afraid for, but I thank you.

[her voice turns a bit pleading] Do be careful. I know it's terribly dangerous.

[and now it turns bitter] The so-called gods will never let it leave. It provides feasts for Fear, Sorrow, Rage, and Confusion, they'll never give that up. It could kill us all and still they would do nothing unless it attacks them directly. The only ones they care about are themselves. We are disposible.

I wouldn't count on the person responsible stepping forward. Town sentiment seems to be against them. It's possible that some of the demon's "friends" might avenge themselves upon him even before the thirty days are over. I wish I had any idea, any idea of who it was. But I can't even think of anyone with ice magic, let alone ice magic powerful enough to contain the demon.

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[traitory]

[ Not that he knows Caedra personally, having only briefly spoken to her, but he finds amusement in the fact that she did get frozen like that. It reminded him of one other demon, Arachnid. ]

Why not just give her what she wants when she finally gets out, if she even does, and hand her the one who invoked her wrath to deal with the consequences themselves. After all if they were strong enough to do this in the first place...surely they could finish the job.

[ Yes good job Starscream just throwing people under the bus as usual. ]

It's not our problem that someone decided to do that to her. No one asked for it to be done, so why bother even making plans to prepare for something like that?

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[roseofthetyrells]

[Margaery finds no amusement in their current predicament, knowing better than most that the demon will emerge eventually and will wreak havoc in response]

There's no guarantee of that. Yes, they were able to beat the demon once, but we cannot know for certain they'd be able to do it again. It's best not to risk it.

[yes, she's very impressed. he'd fit in nicely on Cersei's hand-picked Small Council]

The demon could very easily make it our problem. Better to plan in advance for the worst case scenario and at least have a plan than sit on our hands for the next thirty days and accomplish nothing.

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[stealyoursoul]

I have power enough to kill her if it comes to that. All I have to do is get close enough to touch her.

[He doesn't sound particularly enthused about this though. He kind of considers Caedra a friend.....yeah, Leo needs a better class of friends. But he knows that she's dangerous and a sinner. Both are reasons enough to take her out.]

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[roseofthetyrells]

I hope it doesn't come to that, that someone will be able to make the demon see reason for a change, but should it not end that way your assistance would be greatly appreciated.

[she sounds earnest. and she would be his friend. he's already made a strong case for being friendship worthy by proving himself willing to step in should it be necessary]

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[kingforboth]

If I thought killing her would do good, I would end her life. But as Hope will simply bring her back, we might want to think of more defensive solutions. I can defend people from her but without a more permanent solution she will simply just get angry.

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[roseofthetyrells]

And that is what I fear. We all know what the demon is capable of, should it become enraged. Which will likely happen the moment that ice prison thaws. It doesn't help that we don't know who is responsible for the deed in the first place for they will surely be the first target. I don't want to debate whether or not they made the right decision as what's done is done, but I don't want them to face an excruciating death for doing what they felt was right.

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[onlyanautomaton]

Rest assured that the Guard will be doing everything in their power to prevent another series of attacks, Ms. Margaery. I strongly suggest you speak with Mr. Valentine if you have not already done so.

[He can only hope the Guard's efforts combined with the aid and heightened vigilance of others will be enough to deter any outbreak of violence in this instance. But he doesn't give voice to the thought right now.]

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[roseofthetyrells]

I appreciate the Guard and all that you do to keep us safe, Oscar. I have spoken to Ser Valentine and he, too, has reassured me.

[she hopes that a confrontation can be avoided entirely, but she's not too hopeful]

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[demonsional]

[Hayden responds tentatively, his features wracked by his own nerves. Margaery's his friend, and she's so nice, and he knows she has a reason to be upset and say what she's saying, but still...still. A part of his heart feels frightened, in an animal sense. Like he has to turn around and run, dig himself a burrow in the earth.]

Um...ah...can you please, um, I mean, uh, if you could, if it would be okay...it might be nicer not to call her "the demon" instead of her name, please.

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[roseofthetyrells]

[she would hate to know that she inspired that feeling in Hayden. and while many people have demanded this of her, she didn't know them and felt she owed them nothing. Hayden, on the other hand]

Yes. Yes, of course I will.